“The Hejduk Incident”

Oh and for any other readers who were daring enough to read my whole exchange with Berto, I’m not comparing those violent acts like what Rafa, Sanchez or Blanco do to acts such as pulling,pushing, or elbowing. Berto was just too much of an idiot figure that I was saying pulling,pushing, and elbowing are part of most games and it is not as dirty as you think.

The violent acts of Rafa and so on are well…violent and shouldn’t happen, but the whole Mexican team is not that violent. It is a select few.

I apologize for all my ranting.

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Wow Bert- I mean Israel you just repeated what I just said. Well I was gonna finish ranting but you don’t know when to quit just like me.

Listen my lost puppy twin I just said Sanchez and Marquez are repeat offenders just like you brought up. Those are the class-less guys not the whole team. And yes I also stated they got violent when they didn’t dominate anymore, “they” as in Sanchez, Marquez and any other possible repeat offender.

You really can’t come up with anything better can you.

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Well thanks Berto for proving my point.

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Goodnight Berto, I’ll answer any comeback you try to muster tomorrow if these comments are even still here.

Sorry again.

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Wow, you guys have wasted not only your own time, but mine. It was sorta funny though. Berto’s comments and opinions were idiotic, as was Israel’s backing them up. It’s unfortunate that asdf was trying to explain a simple point (a few guys on the Mexican team’s behavior =/= all Mexicans), and basically had to keep repeating the same idea over and over because Berto had made up his mind from post #1. To be honest, a guy who simplifies the world to the extent that he’ll make a blanket statement similar to “Mexicans are sore losers” or judge a man with “You can bet he beats his wife that way too” is not someone you try too hard to convince.

I’ve forgotten the technical term for it, but this is basically an exchange in which both of you have become so committed to your own side of the argument that no matter what you say, you’re not going to change the mind of the other side. These arguments can still be fruitful, though, if there is some good exchange of arguments that unravel the issue. That didn’t happen here.

So let this be a life lesson, both of you. Yep.. The More You Know ..-~*

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That was magical!

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At the end of the day we’re both the big fish in a tiny ass pond and in 2010 we get dropped in with the sharks. May as well have some North American solidarity. Mexico City is kind of cool.

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The hell happened here?

“At the end of the day we’re both the big fish in a tiny ass pond and in 2010 we get dropped in with the sharks. May as well have some North American solidarity. Mexico City is kind of cool.”

Hey, you feel that? That be truth.

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I think it also has to do something with me always trying to get the last word. It’s immature I know.

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Racism gets to all of us asdf. Don’t feel bad.

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Not to fuel the flames here, but I just went back and read some of the bajillion messages here…

asdf: What part of saying the behavior exhibited by Ramirez and even Marquez was disgraceful would you consider unfair? The part that it’s true or the part that it’s true? Didn’t Marquez even admit as much himself?

(-_-;)

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You didn’t read enough.

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No, I stand by my question. Again, I don’t want to start another 50 comment diatribe, but short and sweet — I think its fair to place blame on the whole team even if it is just a few repeat offenders. I could be wrong, but I’ve never heard of the mexican national team reprimanding these guys or doing anything to curtail or admonish their behavior and by not doing that, they are in essence encouraging it. Therefore, I stand by my statement in the post above and my previous question.

Well I don’t know. He will obviously miss the next game but I also have no idea if any further punishment will be placed on him by the national team. But then again, I thought it was FIFA’s job to enforce further punishment for violent incidents… or is it???

I also stand by my statement, Rafa is not the whole national team. And if you look at his and the other select fews actions compared to the rest of the team, it is not fair to the team. The rest of the guys are not like that and I KNOW his teammates are not happy with him. Why would they want to be a man down when they were only losing 1-0.

The team does not want these situations because it lowers their chances of winning(and we all know they want to win), so the team is not encouraging it, they couldn’t. I’m sure Rafa’s teammates are giving him plenty an earful for putting them at a disadvantage.

My opinion is that Rafa is disgracing the team, but the team is not disgraceful and team is not trying to disgrace themselves.

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That’s the current problem with the Mexican National Team. They don’t do things and take actions for responsibilities as a team, everything is individualistic. What one member of a team reflects bad as a whole team and when it’s a whole team it reflects bad on a whole nation. You win as a team, you lose as a team, your sportsmanship is shaky as a tean. Everybody is aloud that one outburst, but Rafa has done this several times with Mexico and rarely if ever have done this with Barcelona. Simply, put it’s not tolerated at Barcelona, but it seems to be for the Mexican National Team. In this particular game on the field for the 90 minutes I don’t think Mexico as a whole acted poorly, but that Honduras game was an absolute disgrace. These aren’t isolated instances with the team either. If you just look at this century alone there have been a number of instances where El Tri’s behavior has been horrible. There are worse out there, but the Mexican National Team is definitely in the team photo. Which is a huge reason I don’t support the team as a Mexican-American when they are playing non U.S. opponents, because they act classless in too many instances and it’s become acceptable to a degree by a huge segment of the fan base.

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Hey brooks I found two articles on yahoo sports. I tried to post them before but it is not working. One title is Lapuente: Mexico “Not Giants of Anything” and the other Tecos Exec Wants Different Captain for Mexico.

There are people in Mexico in favor of stripping Rafa of his captaincy and extending his suspension. It also says FIFA is looking into the extension of the suspension(it was them supposed to be doing the punishment).

I don’t know what will happen but it is proof the Mexico does not encourage those violent acts.

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To be honest I have a lot less problem with Marquez — who’s actions took place during the course of play and were punished with a red card and an ensuing automatic suspension — than what Ramirez did after the match. Is the MNT doing anything about that? In my eyes, that’s the situation they’re more responsible for and the one where they should want to send a message that they won’t tolerate such behavior.

The Mexican National Team lives by the feud. They have hatred in their heart and will NEVER win the world cup or even get close to it unless they have a mind change. They are the worst loser of any sports organization on the planet. Just look at Sanchez and Raffi. Would you ever have either one on your team? They now get to beat up on some little Central American team to save face and build some self-esteem.

Does matter what I say. You guys just want to hate them, but it’s ok, that just shows the rivalry is still good and strong even in the fans.

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The difference between Mexico futbol and United States soccer is the Mexicans hate the Americans, whereas the Americans just dislike the Mexicans. The hatred results in unsporting behavior on and off the pitch, by players, coaches, and fans alike.

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Pseudinho: That may be true among some people, but I don’t know if I would generalize like that.

That’s why I labeled it Mexico futbol and U.S. Soccer to show that I wasn’t generalizing the whole race. Since I’m half Mexican, I wouldn’t do that.

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But we all know the individuality of everyone and everyone makes thier own choices, but the Mexican NT will get blames and ridiculed for that actions of a few, and rightfully so as the federation hasn’t taken any action to help prevent instances like this when they become a habit and not a one time instance.

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