“The Hejduk Incident”

Love tap. lol.

Classic Mexico. Mexico’s always had a problem with this sort of stuff. I’m Mexican-American and it’s a part of the passion of Mexican people. Whenever they are losing at something no matter what it is they are either pissed willing to do anything to show that they have little class or they are drunk and slap happy laughing the whole time while playing a game like beer pong, table tennis, or footsketball. It’s really evident in the more Mexican side of my family. We see it on the pitch as well. Examples the last few U.S. played qualifiers, the disgraceful Honduras match from last round. None of this surprises me at all. I like how Hejduk called it a love tap.

Well at least that weak slap had no chance of injuring a fly, much less Hejduk. Way to call it a love tap and try to not to make a big thing of it…cool guy.

“Amazing how the Mexican team keeps finding new ways to disgrace themselves, huh?”

“Classic Mexico”?

I’m not trying to make excuses for Mexico but there’s no need for you, Brooks, to insult Mexican NT. It’s a very strong rivalry, and the U.S. aren’t angels either. Maybe you’d like to show how ‘good’ the U.S. have been with there actions?

Pseudinho this is why real Mexicans hate ‘mexican americans’ because they talk like they are so much better and know more.

It’s not an insult, man. It’s true. Every fixture I can recall, it has been terrible sportsmanship by most of the mexican players.

however, i do wish to add that there was a mexican player that congratulated the US after the game. who was it?

Rafa – don’t these insults just make you want to slap someone? Or maybe cheap shot them when their focus is elsewhere? How about try to slide tackle them from behind when they are running to celebrate a goal? An elbow to the face maybe? That will teach them to talk down to you. Stay classy, Mexico.

Or they speak the truth. And sometimes the truth hurts.

Lol, between the Americans and the Mexicans, everyone has a complex.

Yeah, [Deleted], but then, guys with mullets: you can’t trust ‘em

@Yevy, no? You’re judging all Mexicans by some stupid mistakes of some players. I said neither side is innocent, they both have their faults. I just meant, I didn’t see anyone talking about the ‘cockiness’ of some American players and their words. Anyone remember the Landon @ Guadalajara incident where he pee’d on the stadium wall? Or the words he exchanged with several Mexican players and some very racist comments he made?

It just makes you look like a sore loser when resorting to cheap shots and classless behavior when you do lose.

Rafa, I understand your desire to support your native country, but can you name one incident where Mexico has risen above, and demonstrated character. If they win they luv everyone, If they lose they act like spoiled children. In evry interaction between the Us & Mex, Mex finishes 2nd except soccer, now they cant even claim soccer and they show no dignity. You can lose w/ dignity and be respected or you can act like an indian.

I see no one mentions Frankie’s opinion on the matter. He was screaming “F*ck yeah!!” at the end of the game and he believes Paco thought he was saying f*ck you,which would be reason enough to slap someone(notice how he only confronts Frankie). It was a simple misunderstanding. I’m also Mexican-American so seeing this hate for Mexico bothers me.

I see no one seems to remember when Frankie fell into one of the ad boards and Carlos Salcido helped him up. That is sportsmanship the last time I checked. Omar Bravo and Donovan had a friendly exchange at the end of the game also.

I can tell you right now why some of the Mexican team players are violent. What it is, the ones who are doing those actions are the players who think the Americans are still not better than them in the game. No one likes to lose to someone you think is inferior in skill. It’s extremely frustrating.

And saying that you can see that there is a lot more respect between most of Mexicans on the national team towards the Americans. The incidents like the one shown are not even that violent. It not like he punched Frankie, he slapped him, I mean come on really.

What it is now is while playing the U.S. we expect the U.S. to win and in Mexico, Mexico. The rivalry has gotten to that point. You can’t judge the whole Mexican team on the actions of some few. It’s not as if the Americans are not prone to such actions, they just express it differently and in a way that aggravates the Mexicans more. Donovan peeing on the field is a great example. He just tried to play it off like it was normal but you know it was part of that rivalry.

I say these are two great teams and rivals with lots of potential. This is just part of that.

NOTHING, and i mean NOTHING will ever top the entire 100,000 crowd at Azteca Stadium chanting “Osama, Osama, Osama”

Mexico has never, ever shown class.

The Osama chant happened in March 28, 2005

Ok so the crowd was chanting “Osama”, was the Mexican national team doing it, no.

Since that is the case I’ll just assume that your talking about the country and people of Mexico not ever showing class and not the national team. Yes what they “may” have been chanting is bad, but so is your racism against Mexicans.

So why don’t you show some class Berto and leave your comments elsewhere.

Were talking about the teams, not the crowds.

No, that chant TOPS it all off….it was the cherry on top…

If I were to list all the Mexican players antics through the years, you wouldn’t have time to read it all…from Blanco’s headbutting around the field because the US took a lead, to Oswaldo Sanchez comments about Donovan’s mother.

It’s not called racism, it’s called not being blind. You can be in denial, lie to yourself and try to convince yourself it’s not true. The Mexican players and most especially the Mexican crowds at the stadiums act like 2yr olds when they lose.

Call it racism all you want, but a Mexican isn’t able to show class. At least the ones in the public eye. From Vicente Fox all the way to Rafa Marquez. Go ahead, lie to yourself.

If I’m blind you must have not been born with eyes. How many times does it have to be said you can’t judge all people based on the actions of some. The incidents your describing are repeated offenders, not the whole team. Rafa and Sanchez are known to do those kind of things to the U.S.

Blanco does it to anyone not on his team(watch MLS lately), so your wrong there.

I already mentioned Salcido helping Frankie up. That is “class”. You also forget to mention how much doesn’t happen during the game. If all the Mexicans were as bad as your describing real whole team fights would break out every game.

A crowd is a crowd, how many times have I heard during a goal kick “F*ck you a-hole”. That is low-class in my opinion but hey it’s what a crowd will do.

The cherry on top is also how wrong you are. Your racist and in denial Berto. Just look how you word your comments. “A Mexican isn’t able to show class.” Your clearly racist with such a remark. I call racism because that’s what it is.

I can convince myself “A Mexican can show class” because I’m part Mexican and I know Mexicans. They show class, more so then you did in any of your comments.

You know what I’m trying to explain to Berto also goes for all you others trying to say the Mexican team is “disgraceful” or a sarcastic “classy”.

You keep saying it’s most of the team, and they never show any sportsmanship and that you never see it and so on. You have to stop looking at it through your biased views.

What happened with Paco was a misunderstanding. The players who keep being violent are the same players. The whole Mexican team is not like that, even the espn commentators say Mexico shows more respect towards the Americans and one of them used to play for the U.S.

Where did we see after this game, the WHOLE Mexican team doing something so bad. They may hang their heads because they don’t like that they lost but no where is it evident what some you are trying say.

This game it was only Rafa(repeated offender) and Paco(misunderstanding). Nothing else was as bad as you claim this game or most of the others. Both teams played hard and played good, that is what happened.

Yeah repeated offenders…when every incident almost always involves another Mexican shaming himself in every USA v Mexico game…this last game involved a few of them, Marquez (the team captain, I might add) and Paco Ramirez (A friggin asst coach) he is supposed to be setting an example for the team…Coaches are supposed to be the classiest people on the team but this is what we have on display…I bet you the house, the Mexican soccer federation will not penalize him at all and maybe will build a statue for him and give him a raise.

Like I said you can call it racism but you are in serious denial…It’s like basically saying Americans are not white and I’m saying “well not all of them, OK you racist”…i mean cmon! I also limited my comment to most of the ones in the public eye.

If the evidence of class-less shown by the Mexican squad is not enough for you to admit it, just wait till August 28th…You, I, everyone and their mothers KNOW that stadium will be loaded with hostility including the coaches, reporters, press members, ballboys, etc. Just wait and watch. I’m sure they’ll make you proud like they always have.

I can predict your next move, you will write a whole paragraph about Oscar De La Hoya…

Look at the end of that slapping video…All you see are people wearing green white and red looking to fight…CANNOT handle losing, CANNOT handle being told you are no longer better in soccer than USA…haven’t been for 10 years

You think kicking a goalie in the knee with your studs at full force is a normal thing?? Cmon, wake up…that’s as bad as it gets…and like I said that is just the latest of what we’ve seen from the Mexican squad….just the latest, soon to be topped in August….

I’m almost at the point of hoping Mexico wins that game in August, just so that everyone can be safe…100,000 were chanting OSAMA, and they weren’t even losing, Mexico was WINNING!!

Do me a favor and please don’t light my American players on fire on August 28th…do I have to beg? Or will you promise to have human decency?

Rafa, your team has a reputation for playing dirty against us. Your players have tried to deliberately injure our players, sometimes when the outcome is out of reach. I am not judging all Mexicans. I am saying the best football players you can send out against us behave like thugs, over and over.

asdf, I agree with you that some Mexican players cannot handle losing to a team that is not as skilled as they are and lose their heads. I don’t know how you can justify this immature, unprofessional behavior, especially when it leads to downright violent acts. I know these matches mean more to Mexican players because they more important to Mexico as a whole. But it is no excuse for dirty play.

Oh my goodness what is wrong with you?!?! Repeated offenders as in the same players not the whole team, what don’t you get about that. And it does not happen every game, stop exaggerating. I already said, and so did FRANKIE that it was a misunderstanding. Even if he is a coach he still human.

And me callin you out on your racism is because you keep saying stupid things. Just like right now you said the Mexican soccer federation might build a statue of him and give him a raise. What kind of crap is that.

You keep saying class-less squad even though I gave you examples of them having class. If anything they have 2 or 3 class-less players but not the entire team. If you can’t see that, you know in your heart you biased.

And news flash, of course their will be hostility, but your dumb and racist if you think Mexico is the only place that happens. If the U.S. went to any other major country such as England,Brazil,Argentina, etc. and won they would be faced with EXACT same hostility. This is what you don’t understand.

Second news flash, I root for the United States and Mexico. The only time I don’t root for the U.S. is when they play Mexico, most likely because of fans like you.

And once again your wrong Berto. I don’t know what Oscar has to do with this.

Take a look at the video again dummy, they are confused. The one holding back the officer doesn’t want him grabbing the coach. No one fought, nothing happened.

And like I said 2 or 3 class-less players, not squad. Nice comments afterwords shows how smart you are.

I don’t justify it yevy, but the notion that it is the entire Mexican squad that is playing dirty bothers me. I’m sure you’ve read now it is a main 2 or 3 that should be targeted not the team.

I play lots of soccer, I’m on a college team. There will always be elbows,pushing,pulling, it is part of the game. If think that the U.S. doesn’t do it your wrong.

2:23 am comment aimed at Berto not yevy.

Now you are in denial and try to convince yourself that this is an isolated incident and that it’s a once in a lifetime occurrence. Every time some violent incident or distasteful comment through the media is made, it is a DIFFERENT MEXICAN. When has Paco Ramirez and Rafa Marquez done anything to the USA?? These are NEW offenders. I don’t care what they do against Costa Rica or against other teams. Btw, it speaks volumes that this guy is a known thug and he is the team captain.

That is how your coaches handle misunderstandings? Well guess what, if you think that is appropriate, you will be proving my point.

The statue and the raise comment is there because they never suspend or fine anyone for incidents like this. They don’t even bother beefing up the security at home games for when USA comes. The pee showers seem to be encouraged by the organization. “Osama” chants bring the 100,000 mexicans enjoyment. ANOTHER thing that will never ever be done anywhere in this universe. That completely topped it off, that has absolutely NO defense.

You one and only example of class was Salcido helping Hedjuk get up after he slammed him into the advertising boards. Ok, that’s the best you got?

Extreme hostility, dangerous hostility. You know exactly what I’m talking about. No, not like if the USA were to visit another country. The bottle throwing, pee showers, Osama chants were before when Mexico was still competitive vs USA. Imagine now! Once again, with absolutely no security. You naming other countries as being the same way is just negating the rivalry now. You want to be in denial about there even being a rivalry now?

Another thing, STOP once and for all comparing yourself to the superpowers of the world in soccer. You are seriously insulting them when your countrymen put themselves in the same category as Brazil, England, Argentina, Italy, France. Lie to me and tell me that it is just an isolated incident and that it’s not ALL of your countrymen that arrogantly think they are a worldwide soccer superpower all while sporting ZERO world cup championships. Beefing up your ego by beating up on Haiti and Trinidad & Tobago.

Watch the video again, you will see the officers and security holding back about 2-3 Mexican players in addition to the slappy assistant coach. You can bet he beats his wife that way too.

I need to clarify another thing. I’m Mexican-American and even though I’m defending Mexico in my comments right now it is because your all attacking them. If you go to the Mexico world cup blog there is no need to defend the United States from anything. The blogger was actually fair and said the better team won, nothing about disgraceful.

I root for the United States to win every game except when they play Mexico. I don’t know why but that is just how I feel. I will defend the United States if any ridiculous comments like the ones being thrown at Mexico come up.

Now you are comparing the numerous violent incidents by the Mexican squad throughout the years (different players) as “elbows,pushing,pulling”. LOL

Goodbye, this is a waste of time…you will just convince yourself of what you want to believe all night long…it’s useless…Goodnight

Wow man, now your categorizing me as one of “them” even though I’m American. And for your information Rafa was sent off in their last world cup game against the United States, so he is a repeat offender.

I never said what the coach did was a good thing but if you think someone is yelling f*ck you at you after they beat you in an important game, you would be angry too.

I’m not negating the rivalry because I can see your hate, what I’m trying to point out is other countries have passion to. And yes if you go to Argentina they will throw bottles at you and pee on you and possibly chant “Osama”. *Note someone threw a bottle at a Mexican in this last game during a corner.

And I did watch the video but I also understood it, as in the language. They explained the situation. What you saw were some Mexican staff trying to stop police from grabbing the coach. Just stop already.

Oh you did, good, it was a waste of time because there is no way you would ever be right Berto. Most of these violent incidents are recent, they were never violent before because they used to dominate. And most of the violent incidents are from the same players but you wouldn’t know because you clearly don’t keep track of most soccer.

Just face it, I know more about soccer than you, I’m less biased than you so my views aren’t as clouded, and I’m smarter than you. Have good night with that.

dont forget marquez headbutt in 2002 and oswaldo sanchez sliding into eddie lewis because he scored a goal on him lol i cant even imagine a 5 yr old would do that

i find it funny that all these embarassing mexicunt moments occur after 2000, when the USA dominance started. mexico doesnt know how to lose

asdf is a lost puppy

Oh and for any other readers who were daring enough to read my whole exchange with Berto, I’m not comparing those violent acts like what Rafa, Sanchez or Blanco do to acts such as pulling,pushing, or elbowing. Berto was just too much of an idiot figure that I was saying pulling,pushing, and elbowing are part of most games and it is not as dirty as you think.

The violent acts of Rafa and so on are well…violent and shouldn’t happen, but the whole Mexican team is not that violent. It is a select few.

I apologize for all my ranting.

Wow Bert- I mean Israel you just repeated what I just said. Well I was gonna finish ranting but you don’t know when to quit just like me.

Listen my lost puppy twin I just said Sanchez and Marquez are repeat offenders just like you brought up. Those are the class-less guys not the whole team. And yes I also stated they got violent when they didn’t dominate anymore, “they” as in Sanchez, Marquez and any other possible repeat offender.

You really can’t come up with anything better can you.

Well thanks Berto for proving my point.

Goodnight Berto, I’ll answer any comeback you try to muster tomorrow if these comments are even still here.

Sorry again.

Wow, you guys have wasted not only your own time, but mine. It was sorta funny though. Berto’s comments and opinions were idiotic, as was Israel’s backing them up. It’s unfortunate that asdf was trying to explain a simple point (a few guys on the Mexican team’s behavior =/= all Mexicans), and basically had to keep repeating the same idea over and over because Berto had made up his mind from post #1. To be honest, a guy who simplifies the world to the extent that he’ll make a blanket statement similar to “Mexicans are sore losers” or judge a man with “You can bet he beats his wife that way too” is not someone you try too hard to convince.

I’ve forgotten the technical term for it, but this is basically an exchange in which both of you have become so committed to your own side of the argument that no matter what you say, you’re not going to change the mind of the other side. These arguments can still be fruitful, though, if there is some good exchange of arguments that unravel the issue. That didn’t happen here.

So let this be a life lesson, both of you. Yep.. The More You Know ..-~*

That was magical!

At the end of the day we’re both the big fish in a tiny ass pond and in 2010 we get dropped in with the sharks. May as well have some North American solidarity. Mexico City is kind of cool.

The hell happened here?

“At the end of the day we’re both the big fish in a tiny ass pond and in 2010 we get dropped in with the sharks. May as well have some North American solidarity. Mexico City is kind of cool.”

Hey, you feel that? That be truth.

I think it also has to do something with me always trying to get the last word. It’s immature I know.

Racism gets to all of us asdf. Don’t feel bad.

Not to fuel the flames here, but I just went back and read some of the bajillion messages here…

asdf: What part of saying the behavior exhibited by Ramirez and even Marquez was disgraceful would you consider unfair? The part that it’s true or the part that it’s true? Didn’t Marquez even admit as much himself?

(-_-;)

You didn’t read enough.

No, I stand by my question. Again, I don’t want to start another 50 comment diatribe, but short and sweet — I think its fair to place blame on the whole team even if it is just a few repeat offenders. I could be wrong, but I’ve never heard of the mexican national team reprimanding these guys or doing anything to curtail or admonish their behavior and by not doing that, they are in essence encouraging it. Therefore, I stand by my statement in the post above and my previous question.

Well I don’t know. He will obviously miss the next game but I also have no idea if any further punishment will be placed on him by the national team. But then again, I thought it was FIFA’s job to enforce further punishment for violent incidents… or is it???

I also stand by my statement, Rafa is not the whole national team. And if you look at his and the other select fews actions compared to the rest of the team, it is not fair to the team. The rest of the guys are not like that and I KNOW his teammates are not happy with him. Why would they want to be a man down when they were only losing 1-0.

The team does not want these situations because it lowers their chances of winning(and we all know they want to win), so the team is not encouraging it, they couldn’t. I’m sure Rafa’s teammates are giving him plenty an earful for putting them at a disadvantage.

My opinion is that Rafa is disgracing the team, but the team is not disgraceful and team is not trying to disgrace themselves.

That’s the current problem with the Mexican National Team. They don’t do things and take actions for responsibilities as a team, everything is individualistic. What one member of a team reflects bad as a whole team and when it’s a whole team it reflects bad on a whole nation. You win as a team, you lose as a team, your sportsmanship is shaky as a tean. Everybody is aloud that one outburst, but Rafa has done this several times with Mexico and rarely if ever have done this with Barcelona. Simply, put it’s not tolerated at Barcelona, but it seems to be for the Mexican National Team. In this particular game on the field for the 90 minutes I don’t think Mexico as a whole acted poorly, but that Honduras game was an absolute disgrace. These aren’t isolated instances with the team either. If you just look at this century alone there have been a number of instances where El Tri’s behavior has been horrible. There are worse out there, but the Mexican National Team is definitely in the team photo. Which is a huge reason I don’t support the team as a Mexican-American when they are playing non U.S. opponents, because they act classless in too many instances and it’s become acceptable to a degree by a huge segment of the fan base.

Hey brooks I found two articles on yahoo sports. I tried to post them before but it is not working. One title is Lapuente: Mexico “Not Giants of Anything” and the other Tecos Exec Wants Different Captain for Mexico.

There are people in Mexico in favor of stripping Rafa of his captaincy and extending his suspension. It also says FIFA is looking into the extension of the suspension(it was them supposed to be doing the punishment).

I don’t know what will happen but it is proof the Mexico does not encourage those violent acts.

To be honest I have a lot less problem with Marquez — who’s actions took place during the course of play and were punished with a red card and an ensuing automatic suspension — than what Ramirez did after the match. Is the MNT doing anything about that? In my eyes, that’s the situation they’re more responsible for and the one where they should want to send a message that they won’t tolerate such behavior.

The Mexican National Team lives by the feud. They have hatred in their heart and will NEVER win the world cup or even get close to it unless they have a mind change. They are the worst loser of any sports organization on the planet. Just look at Sanchez and Raffi. Would you ever have either one on your team? They now get to beat up on some little Central American team to save face and build some self-esteem.

Does matter what I say. You guys just want to hate them, but it’s ok, that just shows the rivalry is still good and strong even in the fans.

The difference between Mexico futbol and United States soccer is the Mexicans hate the Americans, whereas the Americans just dislike the Mexicans. The hatred results in unsporting behavior on and off the pitch, by players, coaches, and fans alike.

Pseudinho: That may be true among some people, but I don’t know if I would generalize like that.

That’s why I labeled it Mexico futbol and U.S. Soccer to show that I wasn’t generalizing the whole race. Since I’m half Mexican, I wouldn’t do that.

But we all know the individuality of everyone and everyone makes thier own choices, but the Mexican NT will get blames and ridiculed for that actions of a few, and rightfully so as the federation hasn’t taken any action to help prevent instances like this when they become a habit and not a one time instance.