Player Ratings vs Venezuela

First off: I only saw the second half of the game.

Having said that … I have to disagree with you about Ching. He might as well not have a name on the back of his shirt.

The only thing that could be going for him is his judgement of the game – maybe he reads the plays well enough to always be there at the end of a cross. Somehow I’m not convinced by him. I’d take Twellman over him any day. Unless he scores 4 goals in the first 3 games and proves me wrong and I’d be quite happy to concede

Solid commentary and ratings on your 5-10 scale.

Can we come up with a brand name for the “Convey should make the starting 11″ bandwagon. Yes, Venezuela is weak, but he was clearly the in-form player of the match. Definitely better than Beasley right now, who should start on the right. The other contender on that side, Dempsey, played just like the England friendly a year ago: unimpressive all day and then scores a right-place-at-the-right-time goal. With Gibbs out the best 11 lines up like this:

Convey-McBride-Beasley
O’Brien-Donovan-Reyna
Lewis-Pope-Gooch-Dolo

Love that left side – few will be better in the Dub-C. O’Brien and Reyna play behind Landon, of course, but Donovan needs to Anchor the middle and use his pace to help out more in squelching counter attacks – that’s what you do if you want to play behind strikers and chip the ball around, otherwise start cracking some Gerrardian shots.

Nice summary, but I have to disagree when you say about Donovan, “not sure how intentional that pass to Johnson was for Dempsey’s goal.” On the replay angle from the back, you can see Donovan winning the ball by charging forward, quickly zipping it in Johnson’s direction and flowing into position for the give back. It was exactly the kind of play you want from your attacking midfielder.

The hard part now is how to get these pieces to fit together. Arena clearly wants McBride on the field, but McBride doesn’t play well as a sole forward and Donovan is better a a midfielder. Someone from among Ching, Johnson, and Wolff is going to have to step forward to claim that spot.

Where to begin… the match as a whole, still proposterously dissapointing for a true fan and “analyer” of any football match…

players- I was impressed by Convey as an attacker and am certainly on his bandwagon- however, it is clear that he has trouble defending to say the least… he got lucky once on a bad return pass from one venezualan to another but, he is clearly out of place when left 1v1 outside defending and doesnt seem to attempt to hide this fact in my opinon.

olsen- very impressive (i thought) for olsen standards… the fact that he even recieved the ball as many times as he did from the central backs was amazing in my opinion (most of the time with DC United, that doesnt even happen)… yet, as usual, a few sickening give-aways… especially the one in the back when lewis won a nice ball and we were JUST opening up and pow– he gives it away in out own 18 for God’s sake… OUCH!!! terrible and Baros will finish that and laugh to the bank…

Johnson- so tired of not having a second forward (or a first really) and even more tired of Johnson’s potential not = talent… I was amazed at how many times he touches the ball negatively and even more amazing was how many times those negative back touches lead to give-aways… its sad that he cant flick it into space and beat someone with his speed and form/skill… appalling really.

Ching- nice goal… still looks confused 9/10 times because 9/10, he DOESNT score and he gives that “man that was close- sorry guys” look… and its not good enough anymore, it wont be against Czechs or Italy… that look- its amateur to say the least… overall, he was all over, attempting to win each ball at least, giving a good fight (kinda like Tab Ramos and Wynalda really which is REALLY sad because I thought we were beyond those amateur days???)… I liked his effort though for whatever it means lol.

Howard- still looks like an EPL back-up except for a stunning save on a free kick (although it looked a bit embelished)… GKs do that… overall, not tested often which is a large positive…

I thought that our backs getting forward on free-kicks was nice but its something we should watch and be careful of in the WC because Nedved is speedy at attack and so is Totti and Rossi…

Overall, I have watched the game 2 times now… I am REALLY dissapointed in how often we give the ball away… especially on simple passes. Also, we make poor decisions really and I hope the Bruce emphasizes this before its too late. I counted and we only strung 10+ passes together ONCE in the second half and it led to the goal by Dempsy!!! how sad is that? I also counted for venezuala and they strung together 10+ at least 4 times in the second half… its venezuala and we cant keep the ball??? I have always been an advocate of how we dont mess around and how dangerous we arebut i’m losing my confidence in US squad due to our lack of ability to hold on to the damn ball… its like watching high school- not everything needs to go forward so often… I hope that this is only tonight because most of the players wont be starting however, i am skeptical because the same thing happened against Morrocco. In another blog, someone made the point that Bruce is planning this failure and he is experimenting and things will be cleaned up- as much as I hope to believe this (and I am a HUGE fan of Bruce and the US)— our poor decisions and blantent dangerous piss-aways of the ball, if they continue, we are out before it begins!!!

sorry for the book but I am disheartened in our team and I am sick of them not playing on the floor and keeping it like (in my opinion)- most class-A quality teams do… (and this included our “starters” that came in late as well)

These ratings always seem generous to me. This is the first time I’ve commented about the ratings since the Poland game.

I think Convey deserves a rating better than anyone else, and I think he gets a 6.5 max. You can extrapolate the other scores from there. I’m using a 1-10 scale, Bossimo (lol @ 5-10 scale).

I’m not sure what Beasley has done for Team USA in 2006 that makes him a lock for the starting XI.

I think Chris Albright proved that he does not deserve to even smell the starting XI.

Also, in the 86th (or so) minute, Donovan hits Ching’s head with a cross. Ching is wide open, but the ball bounces from his head, *off* the ground, and *over* the goal?!? Geez. He’s not going to get one much easier than that.

I didn’t see a replay, but Ching on that play looked every bit as wide open as Dempsey did on his goal.

Anyways.

The most disconcerting thing for me is that the strength of this team is their ability to play together *as* a team, yet I have not seen much of that at all over the course of the past two (three? four?) friendlies.

Having said all that, my ideal line-up right now would have to be (4-5-1):

————McBride————
Convey-(J.O’B/Mastro/Reyna)-L.D.
—–Lewis-Pope-Gooch-Dolo—–

Landon is just not proving that he can handle the load of a more central position, IMHO.

I have to agree with you Chuck. I said after Jamaica that the team doesn’t have cohesion. The team play is lacking. You have players stepping up and the rest of the team standing still throughout the games. Playmaking was better but then it was Venezuela. Second half they started to let down defensively against a team that isn’t sure what a net is for, can’t do that against the big dogs. Convey has shown his stuff and will come through with spirited play against Latvia, you can’t deny him a spot. Donovan-the great bald hope- hasn’t shown a thing and seems to be sleepwalking in games. Gooch is a bright surprise. He has size, talent and plays with good poise. Overall still mid-level ratings.

IMHO:

Brian Ching displayed the attitude that the US has been lacking recently. When he turns to goal, he’s thinking about scoring, not finding somebody to pass to.

I’ll admit that his touch was off a couple of times, but that he was pushing too hard to impress Bruce with Eddie Johnson on the field at the same time.

We can lament about whether or not Twellman should be part of the 23, but the fact is that he’s not. So, let’s take a look at who will be going to Germany.

If I’ve got to decide between Eddie Johnson or Josh Wolff or Brian Ching as a sub for McBride late in the game, I’ll take Ching. We’ve got guys who can run fast at defenders and try a pass. I want someone who’ll put himself in the middle of the box and try to score.

I also agree with Daryl’s assessment of Howard. Like his size and showed he can take up a good part of the net. Acrobatic save was highlight material. He also showed he can direct the show when neccessary. I would go with that rating Daryl gave him.

At this point, if I had to pick one field player to build the next American team, it’d be Gooch.

Last night, Convey showed why he deserves the starting spot on the left. He even managed some defense, which we’ll need against Czech Rep. in the first match.

Daryl, your comments about each player were, once again, well done. Not much for me to argue there. I do have to say that numerical ratings are hard. I can’t see giving anyone less than a 5 or 6, but then that makes a 1-10 system useless.

Cajun I was going to post that Ching looks like good sub material because of this game and his effort. He had the goal Johnson had the assist. Johnson has speed and potential but doesn’t seem to be able to tap into it. Maybe Latvia game will show something more definite.

As for the Latvia game, it’s time to put our starting XI on the field. None of this resting people to protect them from injury. Our guys need to work together at full-speed before the outcome matters.

I like Chuck’s line-up, with one exception – substitute DMB for Mastroeni.

I’d put Convey in on the left side; put DMB on the right; take out Pablo and drop Reyna back; and move Landon to the middle.

Also, I’d move Gooch over to the left, because he’s got more speed to cover for Lewis when he makes runs forward.

————McBride————
Convey-(J.O’B/Reyna/L.D.)-DMB
—–Lewis-Gooch–Pope-Dolo—–

I dunno about Gooch on the wings. Morocco gave him some shaky moments when he started out there in the second half – one was a precursor to the ball ‘Dolo coughed up. And he doesn’t have the touch to overlap and deliver consistent service or be a genuine threat runing at the goal with the ball on his feet a’la Lewis. Gooch is a center back, the best the team has. Ask yourself this: If Gooch is on the wing, who’s in the middle? Berhalter?

Kelly,

Chuck and I both placed Gooch at centerback. In Chuck’s formation, he was at right centerback; in my formation, he was at left centerback.

Knowing that Lewis will be a threat to go forward and that Pope has lost a step or two, I thought that it would be better to have Gooch covering his runs forward.

Josh Wolfe is useless.
He would not be a good all block team player much less a National Team player.

Landon Mcbride up front
Convey Puablo Renya Dempsey
Boco Gouch Pope Cher
Keller
Berhalter can translate or carry luggage.

I keep wondering why everyone is so hyped on Gooch???

I watched the games a few times and to be honest, this is not football or at least not the American kind and so- saying his size is amazing means NOTHING except on corners which happen maybe 15 times a game if lucky… I mean you could make the claim that in the run of play he wins headers but again, thats a limited amount of times… his skill is CRUCIALLY lacking and his distribution- in my opinion is sketchy at best.

Did anyone else ever watch a truly good defender like Maldini? Thats a player you want to build a team around- not some linebacker turned center-back “because he has amazing size”… watch how many times he simply clears the ball instead of being calm under pressure and distributing to build an attack… that type of pounding the ball out of bounds wont due against powerhouses- it will only get us off our heels for a min and then, right back we go… also, his fouls often appall me and are dangerous usually, esp the one against Morrocco!

sorry- I just am NOT a fan at all. Pope is MUCH better defender and can actually touch the ball and defend 1v1..

Steve C,

I’ll agree that Pope is a better defender than Gooch. However, let me explain why I said that if I had to pick one field player to build the next American team, it’d be Gooch.

If I’m building the next American team, it’s for the next World Cup. Pope won’t figure into those plans, probably. So, why build around him?

Well, one might counter, why build around a defender, at all? Good question. Midfielders would make more sense; however, even though, like everyone else, I like to see offensive fireworks, I think that defense – mixed with potent counter-attacking – win championships. See Maldini’s Italy.

Also, it’s not Gooch’s size and athleticism that impress me as much as his development into exactly what you wrote about.

I think that Gooch’s play is improving with every game, and last night v. Venezuela is a perfect example. Go back and watch it. He was calm under pressure; he did have pretty good distribution; we even saw him working into the attacking third of the field.

At this point, I think that of all the American players, he’s not only got the biggest potential, but also that he’s the best suited to capitalize on his potential.

USA has serious issues going in to group stages. It was challenged to keep possession session and lost it more often than not. I’d like to see them score goals that result from build ups through the mid-field. A team is as likely to score goals using headers from crosses as it is not. Nothing special there. I don’t think this performance was anything to write home about. 2-0 is a good result but the match was no better than the one against Morocco.

Reyna and Donovan – neither has been able to control the midfield which is what they are supposed to do.

Is this how USA played during the qualifiers as well? I hope not.

Razzle,

I agree with you, which is why I propose swapping John O’Brien and Claudio Reyna’s roles, relative to where they played against Morocco.

I know that this sounds a litte crazy, given how truly important Claudio has been/continues to be for the Yanks; but, right now, I’d take Claudio playing more defensively (yes, he can do it) and having JOB be the midfield creative wizard.

Cajun – I’d agree with that. Reyna should be pulled back and JOB given the midfield.

Its too much to expect from Reyna to pop back into the thick of things during a WC and expect him to do a great job. JOB takes the lead here. But then hes often injured. I’m not too confident watching this squad go in.

Did anyone watch the qualification games? I’m wondering what USA played like in those.

I’m from Canada and our country sucks at Soccer, help me decide who to cheer for.

I agree with Steve C — our play was, on the whole, quite disappointing. There were still an embarassing number of turnovers due to sloppy passes and just poor decision-making.

I also agree with Steve C that people are overrating Gooch. He has done well, but he still makes bad mistakes every game — like the foul in dangerous territory against Morocco, the failure to mark the Moroccan striker on a header (Koeller will bury that header), and getting caught upfield on Morocco’s goal.

Razzle, as far as how the U.S. played in qualifying, it was a lot like the Venezuela game, in my opinion — we’d beat up on minnows with efficiency, but not play particularly impressive ball.

Jeff,

Adopt your Southern neighbour!

Jeff,
the US also has a long tradition of mediocre soccer. However, our fortunes have recently begun to turn along with the rise of major league soccer. Now MLS has expanded into Canada with Toronto FC which will begin play in 2007, so I think there’s no doubt that our nations soccer fortunes will be linked and you know who you should cheer for.

Razzle,

re: US Qualifying Form

Mirarchi said it well.

As a whole, I’d say that the US is sound technically, but lacks any true creativity, any spark of genius. We’ve got a good group of very fit athletes who don’t quit.

However, we have a tendency to do one of two things with our passes: 1) give them away easily [which leads to another problem: counter-attacks]; or 2) hit them into empty space with nobody running onto them.

Also, we can be very susceptible to the counter-attack. Of course, this goes back in history (see the Iran match in the ‘98 Cup).

With the US, though, we’re always improving. And, unfortunately we weren’t seeded in this World Cup. I think that if we’d been placed in Group D, we’d have a good chance of advancing.

As it is, however, we’re drawn into a pretty tough group. There is a silver lining to that cloud: Part of the reason that our group is so tough is due to our presence.

As an aside, I want to say that this is a wonderful blog. Everyone here is ready to offer his opinion, and when we don’t see eye-to-eye, we don’t get nasty. We defend our positions with (sometimes misguided) reason.

And Bob, Daryl, and the gang have a great sense of humor.

This is off topic, but I discovered on the timesonline site that Eddie Johnson underwent the Michael Jackson treatment!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,28804-2156253,00.html

I don’t want to critique all your ratings, but these things stuck out to me-

1) Ching seemed to be there in chances created, but at the WC level, you have to finish more of those. He was a big disappointment to me.

2) Gooch is starting to get overrated, I think. He’s good and very athletic and strong, but he makes mental mistakes that will be extremely costly against a CR or Italy. In the WC, he could go either way as either a massive failure or a star performer.

3) I predict a stellar performance from Convey. That dude just has the sort of soccer instincts to break out in a pressure packed WC game. Maybe with teams keying on the better-known US players he can wreak some havoc.

Overall, I’m very, very disappointed with our play thus far in the friendlies. I’m crossing my fingers, but I think playing weak teams like Venezuela so poorly is going to kill us…the Czechs will be a shock to our guys. I just hope they can adjust to the level of play quickly enough.

Razzle: I’m going to have to respectfully disagree about Reyna. Which games are you suggesting he didn’t control the midfield? He played, what, 15 minutes vs Morocco? Obviously didn’t play vs Venezuela. Hasn’t played for the national team for a while. I’m not sure what you’re referring to…?

I have watched several of Man City’s recent matches, and he was controlling the midfield there. The problem with Man City wasn’t Reyna – he does exactly what he is supposed to do: defends, holds the ball, and distributes. In the grand scheme of things, he is remarkably consistent. Reyna can build an attack from the back, and he does it intelligently. He has talent and experience at the highest levels of the game. I’ve said it before here, he is easily the most talented player the U.S. has ever produced. JO’B is also very talented, but I don’t think playing JOB in front of Reyna adds anything; fluidity is the key there. With them healthy, the central midfield looks promising…

Donovan’s strength is not controlling the midfield – period. He ain’t gonna get it done. Doesn’t mean he isn’t valuable, but controlling the midfield is not what should be asked of him. Somebody mentioned a couple of days ago that he always makes the safe pass, which is very true. He is trying to be creative, but he lacks creativity. Seamus mentioned spoke a couple of weeks back about Donovan playing a withdrawn striker, which is exactly, IMO, where he belongs. He needs to be aggressive!

Gooch, I think, will have a good WC. His athletic ability is going to make up for his technical shortcomings, and his technical shortcomings will diminish. Overrated? By who, the people on this board? Who cares what we think…

These games mean nothing right now. They mean a lot to a guy like Convey, who obviously needs to prove something to BA, and is doing his damndest. When the spotlight of the WC shines, our players are going to rise to the occasion. We have a tough friggin’ group, but we aren’t going to wilt like in 1998. I expect a performance similar to 2002. Whether they can make it out this group is the million-dollar question.

Steve,

For the sake of argument: last night FSC replayed the 1993 FA cup tie between Arsenal and Sheffield Wednesday – featuring our own John Harkes That’s the only game I’ve ever seen of Harkes-in-England-in-his-prime (though I did catch a few of his MNT games live and on the tele),but it was enough to convince me that he was every bit as good as Reyna. Plus, he’s noticeably aging and isn’t our best player right now – wouldn’t crack my top 3.

Of course, that doesn’t mean that Reyna isn’t indespensible. My best evidence: Following the 2002 WC campaign, my Mexican friends – having finally exhausted their handball complaints after a month or so – began telling me how great Reyna was and how he was clearly the best player on the pitch. “He was everywhere”, they’d say. For those that don’t know any fans of el Tri, this is the highest of high praise

Good point bossimo. I noticed that match was on FSC but missed it. Had I realized Harkes was involved, I would have made a point to watch it. He was a good player, no doubt. Can’t say as I remember him enough to make a comparison, but I’ll take your word for it.

While I wouldn’t suggest that Reyna is indispensible (he didn’t play against Portugal in ‘02!), he adds that extra bit of class that we need. I feel the same way about JOB after seeing him in the Latvia match last night. Both he and Reyna’s ability to make the longer, creative, dangerous pass, and make it with accuracy and touch, puts them a notch above. I think their presence also takes pressure off of other players, Donovan in particular.

Interesting about your Mexican friends finally caving in. Mine still refuse to stop bitching about that “handball”!